727 leak

["Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Chris,
There is no seal on the kickdown adjusting screw. If it is seeping oil, I 
just use a little Teflon white sealer on the threads when I reinstall it.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Strohmeyer" <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak


> Oh, ok. Got it. I'll buy a tranny gasket before I take this on. While I 
> have your knowledge, the kickdown adjusting screw may be leaking too. Does 
> the threaded shaft have to come out or is there an o ring just under the 
> nut?
>
> Thx for your help,
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>
>
>> You'll never get it out far enough to get at the o-ring with the 
>> tailshaft in place. I suppose you could take all the bolts out of the 
>> tailshaft and rotate it around so that the ear was no longer blocking the 
>> shaft. I'd be concerned about the gasket then between the case and the 
>> tailshaft leaking.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chris Strohmeyer" <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>
>>
>>> Hi Stevan,
>>>
>>> If the o ring is 1/4" in from the end, and I can move it 1/2" to the ear 
>>> blocking it, what prevents me from replacing it right there?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> The tailshaft must come off as the shaft exits out the back of the 
>>>> case. The o-ring is just a standard one that you can buy at any parts 
>>>> store. Just bring the old one along and compare. If you buy a seal and 
>>>> gasket package for your transmission (there is several other gaskets 
>>>> you'll need anyway) there will be one in that kit. I use ATP brand at 
>>>> my shop.
>>>> Stevan Miner
>>>> Miner Auto Service
>>>> Winnebago, MN
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Chris Strohmeyer" <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thx Stevan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't that mean I could change the o ring without pulling the 
>>>>> tailshaft? is the oring a standard one i could get at any auto store?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>> That ear on the tailshaft prevents the shaft from working it's way 
>>>>>> out of the back of the transmission case so it is necessary to be 
>>>>>> there. The o-ring is about 1/4" from the end of the shaft so like I 
>>>>>> mentioned earlier the shaft doesn't have to completely be removed to 
>>>>>> replace the o-ring. Make sure you lube the o-ring up good when 
>>>>>> reinstalling the shaft so that it doesn't get damaged on the case 
>>>>>> edge. It's a fairly tight fit in the case and through the servo and 
>>>>>> strut arm.
>>>>>> Stevan Miner
>>>>>> Miner Auto Service
>>>>>> Winnebago, MN
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Chris Strohmeyer" <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:17 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thx  Stevan and Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The shaft end looks to be blocked only by a useless ear of the 
>>>>>>> tailshaft. It appears like the designers put it there by accident 
>>>>>>> which prevents me from sliding the shaft rearward no more that about 
>>>>>>> 1/2" . I wonder if the o ring is within 1/2" of the end?  Is the 
>>>>>>> shaft stationary or does it move on it's axis or forward and aft?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thx guys,
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>> 67 Imperial Convertible
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Stevan Miner" <miner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:27 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IML: 727 leak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>> What you have leaking is the O-ring on the end of the shaft that 
>>>>>>>> the low-reverse servo arm pivots on. You can change this without 
>>>>>>>> trans removal but it takes a little work. You'll have to remove the 
>>>>>>>> tailshaft. Remember there is a snap ring under the cover that is 
>>>>>>>> now hidden by the rear transmission mount. The pan and valve body 
>>>>>>>> will also have to be removed. You can then take a long punch from 
>>>>>>>> the inside of the case and tap that shaft rearward to get at the 
>>>>>>>> offending o-ring. I never completely remove the shaft just enough 
>>>>>>>> to replace the O-ring. Makes it alot easier to line everything back 
>>>>>>>> up and less chance of dislodging the reverse band strut link. I 
>>>>>>>> always replace as the seals and gaskets that were distributed 
>>>>>>>> during the procedure including the selector shaft seal.
>>>>>>>> Stevan Miner
>>>>>>>> Miner Auto Service
>>>>>>>> Winnebago MN
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Strohmeyer" <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:45 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: IML: 727 leak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is going to be hard to describe but here goes. On my 67 
>>>>>>>>> Imperial I have a leak at  just below the vertical surface that 
>>>>>>>>> the tailshaft bolts to. It's a small space between the lower 
>>>>>>>>> flange of the tailshaft and the TOP of the oil pan FLANGE. To see 
>>>>>>>>> it you have to look from the back of the transmission looking 
>>>>>>>>> forward. It's slightly off center of the tailshaft and where it's 
>>>>>>>>> leaking appears to look like the end of a aprox 3/4" diameter 
>>>>>>>>> shaft. Oil is seeping from this "shaft end". I've looked at the 
>>>>>>>>> breakaway photos of the 727 and see nothing that looks like this 
>>>>>>>>> inside so my next step is to drain the tranny,pull the pan and 
>>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thx,
>>>>>>>>> Chris Strohmeyer
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin Giesbrecht" <robings@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:59 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IML: power steering leak - O rings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can buy rebuild kits for the power steering pump that are 
>>>>>>>>>> really only a seal kit. There is a big oring that seals the whole 
>>>>>>>>>> canister and a few more seals for the shaft and the relief valve 
>>>>>>>>>> I think. Not that hard to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robin Giesbrecht
>>>>>>>>>> 72 Imperial
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>From: Kenyon Wills <imperialist1960@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>Reply-To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>To: mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: IML: power steering leak  - O rings
>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:26:56 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>--- Chris Strohmeyer <chrisstroh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Kenyan said...........
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 4.  "Bad o-rings"?  Anyone else that works on cars
>>>>>>>>>>> > where you live?  That sounds like bad advice to me,
>>>>>>>>>>> > but it may be out of context and part of other info
>>>>>>>>>>> > that he gave?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Aren't there 1 or 2 large o rings on the power
>>>>>>>>>>> > steering pump that seals the
>>>>>>>>>>> > reservoir can?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>True.  There are o-rings.  The way that the thing's
>>>>>>>>>>>put together sorta precludes catastrophic fluid loss
>>>>>>>>>>>as described in the letter posted here, but to address
>>>>>>>>>>>the question:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If I were going to pay a mechanic to deal with this, I
>>>>>>>>>>>would buy a replacement pump unit that comes with a
>>>>>>>>>>>warranty so that I didn't have to worry about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Reason being that I don't agree with paying a mechanic
>>>>>>>>>>>to only partially rebuild a pump for a labor charge
>>>>>>>>>>>that could very likely equal or exceed the cost of a
>>>>>>>>>>>replacement.  I would pay the rehab factory that will
>>>>>>>>>>>give a warranty do that portion instead and get the
>>>>>>>>>>>whole thing spec'd out by someone that does nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>but.  That's what I'd do, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Also, a failed O-ring seal is highly unlikely to cause
>>>>>>>>>>>the sort of rapid fluid loss described, so that's what
>>>>>>>>>>>I was thinking based on the info given, but I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Please use an o in my name.  I'm particular about
>>>>>>>>>>>that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>-Kenyon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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